Posted: 2007-12-20 20:58
I happened upon a blog to read an article about Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee. The aticle focuses on a book Governer Huckabee wrote ten years ago in which he referenced his conservative views.
The article was writtin by a Liberal who out of a whole book selected several single quotes and of course did not attempt to represent or combat the general thesis.
The name of the web site was Mother Jones, apparently a place for wacked out first and second generation anti American anti God left wing flower children hippies.
The following are some of the quotes from the book the 'journalist' referenced.
"Wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband".
"Despite all our prosperity, pomp, and power, the vaunted American experiment in liberty seems to be disintegrating before our very eyes."
"Abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism have fragmented and polarized our communities."
"It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations—from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia."
"The legal commitment of ideological secularism to any and all of the fanatically twisted fringes of American culture—pornographers, gay activists, abortionists, and other professional liberationists—is a pathetically self-defeating crusade that has confused liberty with license."
The bloggers were incensed by the quotes mentioned form Governer Huckabee's book. I went on to add posts which were very conservative once I saw the charge that Governer Huckabee's view points stirred.
The following are some of the responses directly to my conservative view points, this is the true passion of the current Democratic party.
"The stupidity of the people commenting here in agreement with Huckabee is painful. You people all need to be hit over the head with a brick. The madness of hatred-fueled evangelical Christianity is identical in every substantive way to Jihadism. The only differences are superficial matters of who believes in which imaginary friend."
"Hey [Sic]., you're pretty god damn stupid, you know that?"
"[Sic] is correct; liberals are the party of the DevilSatanEvilBeware and republicans are the party of JesusGodAllThingsGood. Well, I am glad such an intellectual heavyweight as [Sic] is here to inform us of such things. It must be so easy being so stupid, [Sic].
"[Sic] - what you don't realize is we are not mocking your God. Might as well mock your pet dinosaur, neither of which exist. We are mocking you and your delusional belief system. At least those of us who pause occasionally to mock, instead of enlighten, which we do on occasion as we get tired of (to borrow a line from your Biblical Manefesto) "throwing pearls before swine."
"Huckabee's ideas, as well as the comments of the religious fanatics posting here, are living proof of why it is so important that the secularists do not take these people lightly. . They will not tolerate our ideas if they they ever obtain real power in this country. They are our Taliban..."
"thats because there just like the taliban"
"For being a merciful country we sure massacre alot of people. It's kinda like post birth abortion when you add it all up. And there's alot to add up. i didn't always think this way. I do now. You don't read enough."
"I'm not the one supporting the party of self-hating closet cases, [Sic]. GOP: The Gay Old Pedophiles You'd be funny if you weren't so sad. I'm done here."
"Pathetic, the funny thing is that what I see as reality is exactly opposite from Huckabee's statements. The most immoral people I know are deeply religious people."
"wow, do you religious nutbags really live in this country!? boy Am i glad I live up here in Mass."
"[Sic], Your really are a long-winded bastard. Try some brevity, my ignorant, bigoted friend."
"[Sic], Your mother is one woman whom I would have actually encouraged to have an abortion."
"We need a leader who believes in science and reason, not ancient middle eastern mythology, superstition, and fantasy, i.e. Christianity"
"Take it easy, [Sic]. Like most Evangelicals, you are going to Hell. Only those who love their neighbors in spite of their flaws are heaven bound. Those who use the Bible to justify hate are as sick as those who use the Koran for the same reason."
"Wow. The (christian)bible was written by men about 500 years after the death of jesus. It is not the word the god. Today when people say they speak to god we call them crazy, whats changed. To try to engage any person in a rational conversation, who prescribes to an "organized religion", is like trying to teach a dog to talk. It's impossible and it annoys the dog. Since I am a scientist I want to make my next point very clear. NO WHERE IN SCIENCE DOES IT SAY GOD DOES NOT EXIST, NOR ARE SCIENTIST TRYING TO PROVE GOD DOESN'T EXIST (IT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF SCIENCE). THE REASON WHY THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT IS SO FEARFUL OF SCIENCE IS BECAUSE IT PROVES THAT THE BIBLE IS A PRE-ENLIGHTENED ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN OUR UNIVERSE. -Any man who needs to look in a book to find his soul is truly lost."
"Why are Christians so angry and filled with hate?"
"...You go on making sure your male children aren't anything but straight, emotionless, wife-beating Christians..."
"[Sic] you are very long-winded for someone preaching simple ideas of intolerance."
"And the tooth-fairy sayeth unto me, "Place thine tooth under thine pillow and I will bestow upon a shining coin. All those who do not bow before this coin and praise it will eternally burn; suffering the ripping of claws and nashing of teeth. This is coin comes for peace, and bringeth a sword to set brother against brother and father against son" Can't prove it didn't happen there for it's holy truth. Now give me my tax free status."
"Speakin' o' necrophilia, I herd somewhere there's a cult that glorifies an ancient roman execution device. Was it the gilloteen? Nah, that's a frenchie thing. Anybody remember?"
"[Sic], there is one other option concerning one's attitude towards jesus. he NEVER EXISTED!! jesus is just another version of the ancient pagan sun-god mythology. grow up!!!"
"To [Sic], the ranter. Thoughts and statements as yours in an ideal world would suspend you from participating in society."
Below is one of my final message to the Liberals.
I didn't realize this was such a liberal blog until the posts started becoming monolithic. Lock-step. It is amazing, the responses weren't convincing toward your views, just personal attacks. And no one ever challenged any of the general points of my thesis. It was just like some of my articles that I even posted to this blog mentioning your techniques and you showed it right here live. It also shows the evidence of what God has said in the Bible about people rejecting him, even though they don't offer any solid reason why, just flimsy flim flam. And you also ignore and offer no explanation to general quandaries such as who gave the scientists their intellect, where did man come from, where did the sun come from, why is all attention still focused on the Middle East as it was in the Bible, is it a coincidence that there is massive energy reserves under the Middle East, is it coincidence that the Jewish tribe are the most intact group of people on the planet, on and on and on an on. This means you cant stand the idea of a God so you do anything not to follow one, including comming up with any-ole-reason at all as an excuse.
I don't have an issue that you reject God, I have an issue that you reject him and don't admit it. You come up with excuses that you hate his rules - he couldn't be the REAL God being so intolerant...its a myth, its a man made cult for manipulation, its some old fashion ancient religion that brainwashed fools still follow. Who is brainwashed? The ones who oppose God at every step - monolithically? Christians are monolithic because we follow the same book. You are monolithic because you oppose the same book...yet we are the ones who are brainwashed and not you?
'Bush lied and people died', yet YOUR leaders voted for the same war resolution based on the same intelligence. 'More people killed in the name of religion', an absolute myth chanted by the brainwashed. The anti Christ religions of this world are responsible for the most deaths of humans on earth by a huge landslide. Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Communism. Millions upon millions of human murders. Anti Christ religions such as these treat humans as a piece of trash. A popular anti Christ myth is that Hitler's was a Christian war. Hitler was a vegetarian who followed the occult, yes, thats black magic. Millions of Christians were slaughtered trying to stand up against Hitler.
In light of any acknowledgment of an obvious creator people who hate Christ will ignore all and scratch up any form of blame to afix to Christians simply because they don't like rules, they HATE being humbled by the fact that there is a higher power, God, who is more intelligent, more compassionate, more merciful, and plain old better than us. Spiritually immature people HATE this. They are like children at nap time when the parent is exercising his or her ultimate authority - fit and tantrum time (even though a nap is god for you).
It was interesting, I went to church yesterday and we had a guest minister. She said how everything now in our society was focused on "tolerance", the audience sparked up as though frustrated with this fact, myself included. She said that 'tolerance' is not from God but anti-Christ. God was NOT tolerant to sin, God hated sin. Mercy is an attribute of God. Sin needed to be paid for and Christ was the answer. God gave us mercy and it is who he is in part, but he is definitely NOT tolerant, he is merciful - a huge difference. This is the devil trying to twist things in order to push sin onto our society, de stigmatizing it, normalizing it, making wanted, invited, and welcomed. Very dangerous to our kids but those who are drunk on their own lusts don't care about kids (abortion?).
When one blames Christians as being intolerant, they are saying, "Hey, you don't like sin, your bad". The more tolerant you are, the more you like and agree with sin, it is an alie to you.
The devil is applying pressure through the lost to accept sin. Intolerance of sin has become socially punishable of this new religion which is the anti-Christ religion. the anti-Christ religion was born in this country during the 1960's when the baby boomers were becoming adults.
Now these baby boomers have been in political and social power for around 20 years. It took a while for their beliefs to seep into our culture, but here they are, and there they are. Stubborn children throwing fits demanding there own niche sins be dammed their country and be dammed the children growing up in 50% devorced homes, drug abuse, teen pregnancy, distisfaction, wanting, strife, and misplaced blame.
This I believe is a microcosm of the ideological grappling that is going on now in our society. Our current struggle in the United States of America is the people who believe in the Bible versus people who hate the Bible. And the ones opposing The Bible don't even realize they are part of a religion. (end)
One followup on the blog said:
Huckabee is mocked and persecuted for being a Pharisee, not a Christian.
My response is below:
A Pharisee is Jewish, Huckabee is Caucasian Christian. Therefore he is
not being attacked for being Pharisee. The views he is espousing come
form his belief in Christianity, in Jesus.
You don't have to believe in his views, but clearly he is not Jewish, and he is being attacked for his beliefs, therefore he is being attacked for his beliefs in God and his interpretation of the Bible both Old and New Testament.
The Old Testament was rife with the coming of the Messiah, no Jew ever disputed that then or now, it is plain as day. Yet the Jews at the time rejected the carpenter. This continues today, hence the continued division between the two beliefs.
I do not believe Huckabee is attempting to elevate himself thereby comparing his 'projected sinlessness' with the greater societies failures as brought on by weak or evil individuals, rather I believe in his writings he is sounding a warning that things have degraded in our society which I believe is clearly represented by empirical data - drug use, divorce, depression, strife, division, and many manner of depravity in a growing hideous nature such as pedophilia murders we see on television.
If anyone is accused of being a Pharisee who attempts to call attention to the moral down slide then that means no one can call attention to any issue in society unless they were speaking out about abortion rights, homosexual rights, and the promotion of welfare and social programs. Individuals speaking out in favor of abortion rights, homosexual rights, and the promotion of welfare and social programs are deemed compassionate, caring, understanding, and tolerant by ones who do not subscribe to the concept of morals, morals as defined by God our creator.
This is a twisted logic, where the true corruption comes form the ones cheering depravity, yet they are the same ones condemning anyone speaking out about immorality, accusing them of hypocrisy. If hypocrisy was the protective mote surrounding all forms of discussion then no one could say anything about anything and we wouldn't have a court system or laws because we all fall short as described by the only true Son of God, Jesus.
But, Christians must not listen to the devil which advises and encourages them to keep their mouth shut and let his will be done onto the children of our society.
And, when Christians do speak out here comes the Pharisee's out to stifle them, condemn them, and persecute them in the name of compassion, caring, understanding, and tolerance.
Meanwhile the Pharisees keep the cash register flowing by dealing prescription drugs to our kids, pornography to our kids, immorality and perversions to our kids, and corupt dependence inducing government programs to all who can be persuaded.
You will know who-is-who in society when you see what they defend,
what they stand against, and what they try to protect.
Here, you have Huckabee speaking out defending morality, defending marriage, defending children, defending society. And, you have the majority of the posts in this blog attempting to protect homosexuality,
protect pornography, protect abortion.
So, I guess when you die, and you see that Jesus is in fact the Messiah, you can say to God "yeah, I stood in favor publicly of everything you stand against, but at least I wasn't a hypocrite, I did exactly what my heart instructed and didn't stand for anything of goodness because I didn't favor anything of goodness, so now it is your turn to bow to me".
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On Another blog the author was an anti Bush zealot to the point of it being his religion. He showed a video of Christian-school children raising their hands while praying to God for President Bush to do well. At the front of the class there was a life sized card board cut-out of President Bush. Below are the comments at this post.
Blog author response: "And we wonder why today's youth is in such trouble. Brainwashing like this should be illegal. Himmler, Goebels and Adolf would have been proud. In fact, there were rallies like this all over Germany. Hitler Youth were taught in precisely the same way. Salutes and all"
My response: "They were just praying for our President as the Bible advises. Since you may be someone who hates the Bible, then you hate prayer for the President, and you hate the fact that kids are being brought up to believe the Bible since you hate God. That is the real underlying angst you have."
Blog author response: "noting [my, Sic] website is "endwelfare.com", i'm wondering if he supports the removal of tax exempt status from american churches. that's one example of welfare that i wouldn't mind seeing end."
My response: "Welfare is when you give free money away to lazy people who refuse a responsible lifestyle. Tax exempt is simply the corrupt government taking less of working peoples hard earned money. Moreover, the benifit of tax exempt for Churches is the profound and excellent influence Christian churches have on our society, such as true and permanent rehabilitaion of ciminals and addicts, keeping children in church praying for our president instead of out getting knocked-up or shooting up their local high school."
Blog author response: "Just as an aside, don't you find it a bit weird that the most vocal proponents of the right to bear arms as a check against the government seem to the the most vocal supporters of an authoritarian government that has locked up its citizens without right to counsel? I mean, guns - sure. Not against the ownership of weapons ... But to be butt boys for the most authoritarian, anti-constitutional regime this country has ever seen? Talk about "pulling aside the curtain"..."
My response: "Do you find any disagreement with the left party, the Democrats? They are the ones that have brought us welfare to lazy people, paid ignorant jobless people money to have more and more children wards of the state (drive down to your local slums to witness). They promote partial birth abortion, if you believe this is an acceptable practice then you should have been around during the Roman Empire and not a so called civil society. They have also pushed upon our youth homosexuality which is a damaging lifestyle which includes a much higher than average drug addiction rate, a higher death rate, a much higher suicide rate, and a higher rate of depression as compared to heterosexual people.
Jimmy Carter is responsible for installing the current militant muslim regime in Iran. The left has zero current answer for the war that has been declared upon us by the same regime.
Both parties have sold the country out by inviting hepatitis infected pediphiles into the US from Mexico and offering them social security.
The left is responsible for the destruction of our education system over the last thirty years, unions have systematically chased away industry form the USA. The divorce rate has sky rocketed since the communistic free love 60's antiGod agenda.
And, I notice the references to Hitler in association with the current administration, however, I have never seen more Stalinists loyalty as I see in the left party, including the regulars on this site who are blinded by the hatred of Christians.
Other than the fact that they hate God, and without repeatedly contrasting the slightly-more-conservative party, what DO you like about the left party?"
In another post at the same blog the author began by criticizing opponents of a time-line for withdraw from Iraq saying that if the terrorists were concerned with a time table they would stop fighting now and wait for the US to leave, then they could easily over take the Iraqi military once our presence was diminished. He also stated I was interested in the wrath of God as it relates to the Iraqi war. Below is my response.
My followup: "The terrorists want to boast of their fighting victory. This is why they don't hide till we leave as you suggested.
They, the terrorists (Iran), want to boast to the Muslim world that they forced our retreat, AKA 'the paper tiger' - such as the Reagan / Bush 1 / Clinton administrations did, thereby massively increasing their recruitment of terrorists to come over here to our malls and cities.
You may want to familiarize yourself with the culture of our sworn enemies before you side with them against our heads of state.
None of this has to do with the wrath of God, that will only come during the end of the earth, the current conflict, which is thousands and thousands of years old (Istanbul / Constantinople - wring a bell?) has to do with a fallen world, a dark pagan religion in this case, causing humans to thirst for blood because their religious book instructs them to, along with the dictator regimes they live under.
When things anent going well in your own life, in your own country, the dictators around the world instruct their oppressed populations to do one thing, hate Bush. This pulls the attention away form themselves and apparently catches on like wild fire. Sort of like feeding chum to hungry sharks. It keeps the flesh happy while the intellect is unwilling to connect the dots."
Blog author response: "WTF are you talking about? All this moon talk is unintelligible to me. And your paranoid ravings and religious colorings are even more bizarre. We live in very different worlds, [sic]. Let's just say that fences make good neighbors?"
My followup: "Hmm, and here I thought that you, a Bush hating zealot, wouldn't want to be what you accuse President Bush of, that is excluding those with who you have disagreement, a diplomatic fence as it were. Don't you accuse Bush of disengagement with our adversaries, and accuse him of to quickly forming a combative stance? Yet when things don't go your way you are quick to escalate conflict and you flee from diplomacy. A sad bit of hypocrisy."
Blog author response: b) I don't hate Bush, I think he's an idiot. Might be news to you, but these are two very different mental processes. You might want to investigate further. e) Speaking of hypocrisy, the Jesus I know would be out in the streets helping the poor and giving all he had to ease their suffering. I don't see any "means testing" in Christ's teaching. In fact, I see quite the opposite, with exhortations against precisely the same kind of pharisee crap you spew on your blog." a, c, d, f were just criticisms.
My followup: "I am glad that you know Jesus. Would you like to post a prayer for President Bush in this blog string? The Bible advises us to pray for our leaders with an emphasis on what was then the 'kings' or top leader figures of a nation. But now since we don't have a king the highest leader of our nation would be President Bush.
God indicates in his word that its God's people who are in part responsible for the poor performance of a leader of a Godly nation. If they neglect to pray for the leaders. For example, President Clinton co-opted a very conservative platform and ran it successfully through congress.
However, it is important that we pray for God's will, not ours, because only God knows true wisdom, he can see into the future and knows what needs to be done. So, even if things may not appear correct to us, praying his will for any situation is the best course. Its not according to mans wisdom which is very fallible.
For example, we can pray to God for his will in Iraq. We want God's will in Iraq. We want his ultimate path and blessing in that situation. And we should pray to him for this.
If you believe that President Bush is an idiot, you should pray to God for wisdom for our president. Such as the innocent children were doing in the other post. Also, Jesus' ministry was not about helping the poor in money, but out to save the poor in spirit with the ultimate goal of salvation for eternity.
In fact, God had alot to say about sloth. In many cases the so-called poor are in the condition that they are in due to NOT followig the advice of God the creator, and not because hard workers are unwilling to give their money away to them."
Blog author response: "No thanks, I believe in following Christ's advice in which we're to go into a closet and pray in private, not to proclaim our holiness in a fit of pride by praying in public."
My response: "That advice was given for men to check the motive of their hearts while praying, weather it be in public or in private. Jesus is saying if you are praying for exaltation from other men then God advises your prayers will not be effective because your heart is untrue.
Keep in mind when Jesus said that he was speaking towards the Jewish religious power structure at the time which was very corrupt and all about status and a prideful hierarchy.
Jesus was not limiting us from praying in public. Prayer in public or even corporate prayer is very useful, such as group prayer before a sporting event, group prayer before a battle, group prayer before a surgery, etc. Corporate prayer could be when a church gathers and the pastor prays before the congregation, the whole congregation is in agreement, and this is a very powerful form of prayer to God.
God advises in his word that when two or more people come together in in agreement prayer it is more effective. This is one of the benefits according to the Bible of a marriage between a man and a woman, corporate prayer.
Also, if there is prayer in public it can be a great form of leadership to others, or encouragement, because they may respect the boldness of the open communication to God, in a world that is not usually hospitable to the word of God."
Blog author response: (he provided a link to an article by movie critic Roger Ebert which was basically an anti prayer rant) "Read this and learn some humility. It's quite clear your purpose is political, not spiritual. Every comment you've posted here screams it."
My response: "Thank you for providing evidence of my statement "in a world that is not usually hospitable to the word of God." Your article example of this was very illustrative. And there are many many more available in this world I'm sure.
Roger Ebert is a non Christian and has rejected Christ, he works in the anti God agenda driven media in the USA. It is not surprising that he opposes the praying to God being bandied about in public. Mr. Ebert is aware that most people in school in the country are Christian.
Therefore he is against prayer to a Christian God as you are. Its because although you reference Christ for the sake of an argument, you also reject him daily.
The separation of church and state is used as a sword falsely against Jesus. Separation of church and state in its correct interpretation is that there be no mandated school religion of a specific type, such as catholic, or Presbyterian, its does not prohibit the generic prayers to the Christian God in this Christian Nation.
Such that on our money it says "In God We Trust", this is referring to Jesus' father God, not allah, we are all aware that we are a Christian nation.
Even though we are a Christian nation, Mr. Ebert is against the freedom of speech clause in our founding documents, unless it has to do with homosexuality or abortion, or social programs.
On one hand you reference Jesus, and praying to him, out of the other side of your mouth you advocate silencing prayer to him. You either believe that Jesus is the way and the truth and the light, or you don't. And if you believed that he was the Messiah you certainly wouldn't be a proponent of squelching the path to salvation for others.
I don't dispute you for doing this, I dispute that your not up front about it. For example, when given the opportunity to pray with a Biblical foundation as to why it is ok and even good to pray in public, you instead referred to a hit piece on Christians.
You are not indifferent towards Christ, you hate him.
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places."








